usChristina Bramanti
October 5, 2012
CLAS 20105
The Role of Oracles, and Dreams in Herodotus’ The History
Throughout Herodotus’ The History, Oracles, and dreams play an important role. While the gods have almost no presence throughout the book, the Oracles and/or dreams are linked to many of the major events. We first encounter the Oracles in Book I, when Croesus asks the Oracles at Delphi if he should attack the Persians, the Oracle replies telling him (in a very ambiguous way) that if he fights, he will destroy a great empire (7.12). Unbeknownst to Croesus, the empire he will destroy will be his own. However, this answer from the Oracle is one of the things that convinces Croesus to attack Persia, in a manner jumpstarting the
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Dreams also play a particular role in Herodotus’ The History. Like the Oracles, dreams influence people to make certain decisions. And like the situations with the Oracles, fate also plays a role. These people had these specific dreams because they were fated to make said decisions. The dreams, possibly, were the only ways to convince them, or to ensure that fate run its course.
So was the case with Astyages, who dreamt of his daughter, Mandane, “making water so greatly that she filled all his city and flooded…all of Asia” (1.107). Astyages immediately went to visit the Magi who were dream interpreters. Fearing that this meant she would have more powerful offspring, he married her, not to a Mede, but to a lesser, Persian man. However, fate would not back down. After his daughter was married to the Persian, Astyages had another dream. “…It seemed to him that out of his daughter’s privy parts there grew a vine, and the vine shaded all Asia” (1.108). Astyages again went to dream interpreters among the Magi, who suggested that this dream meant that Mandane – who was now, in fact, pregnant – would have a child who would become king in the place of Astyages. This is the point in the story where fate really comes into play.
Much like the story of Oedipus, attempting to control or otherwise act in a way opposed to, fate seems to be exactly what allows for fate to run its course. Astyages takes the child, a son, when it is born and
When an epic hero, like Amari and Odysseus, has the opportunity to face the unknown, or has a crisis, and has something to gain, this starts the beginning of their journey called “The Call.” During this period, the heroes go through things, in their eyes, that is unimaginable or wasn’t expected. Odysseus’s call was more voluntary and exciting than Amari’s call because his “Call” was when he won the Trojan War and could return home after ten years. Amari’s “Call” was when she and a few others from her tribe were captured and taken as slaves after her family was killed and her village destroyed. Odysseus had a choice but Amari did not. Before “The Call”, Amari and Odysseus characteristics affected and predestined their journey. Two epic hero qualities, Noble Birth and Cultural Legend, set up Amari and Odysseus path. Odysseus Noble Birth quality was that he was the son of Laertes, a hero, and his Cultural Legend was being a war hero and the King of Ithaca. Amari’s Noble Birth quality was that her family was considered royalty because her father was an elder of her tribe, Ewe, he was a favored storyteller, and her family was skilled weavers. Her Cultural Legend couldn’t be fulfilled because she was to inherit the family business of weaving. Although Amari didn’t become a Cultural Legend, they both had purpose due to their family’s high-rank in their culture.
I remember having dreams and when I have had them they were very interesting, and I wander why. 1 Reading the text book, it says most people dream four to five times a night, but not all people remember their dreams upon awakening in the morning. Non-dreamers are often surprised by their dreams when they first awake. (Dennis Coon, 2016). 1 How meaningful are dreams? Some theorist believe that dreams have deeply hidden meanings. Others regard dreams as nearly meaningless. 2 Yet others hold that dreams reflect our waking thoughts, fantasies and emotions(hartmann,2011). I also looked up on the Dream Bible which I never knew that these sites exist, so it was very interesting reading the different sites. 3 The dream Bible says
For example, when Antonio started to believe in the Golden Carp instead of God, he had a dream that God was angry with him, “I am not the God of forgiveness... I can have no priest who has golden idols before him” (Anaya, 173). He also dreams of his friend Florence who died, he also sees Lupito and Narciso, who were shot in his dreams, “These are the men I’ve seen die! I cried.
The significance of the aforementioned dreams changes the overall outcome of future events that will transpire. For example, in Of Mice and Men, George is very cautious with his plans, as seen in “George was on guard immediately. ‘S’pose I do,’ he said. ‘What’s that to you?’ and “George said quickly, ‘Don’t tell nobody about
Fate is defined as the development of events beyond a person’s control, regarded as being determined by a supernatural power. In Sophocles play ‘Oedipus the King”, fate has taken its toll on the main character Oedipus. Sophocles exposes how manipulative factors come into play that allow Oedipus to use his own judgements in attempt to escape his fate, that eventually fail. All knowledge that is gathered by Oedipus is futile, being that the prophecy was still meant to happen beyond the control of Oedipus. While Oedipus is not restricted by his fate, he is restricted by what he understands about his fate.
They can either make us or break us. Curley’s wife had a dream that she would be in “pitchers”-- movies. This dream brings her down because she knows she had an opportunity to make something of herself. It brings her down and makes her lonely.Every time she talks about her dream, it’s in resentment. She wishes that she could’ve pursued her dream. She know she could’ve, but she didn’t, so every time she thinks about it she gets upset. She knows she could’ve lived a better life than the one she was living. “I tell you I ain’t used to livin’ like this. I coulda made somethin’ of myself,” she states in the book. She also talks about how since she couldn’t live her dream, she married Curley out of spite. “Well I wasn’t gonna stay no place where I couldn’t get nowhere or make something of myself…. So I married Curley” Crooks also had a dream that brought him down. He wanted to be a part of something, it didn’t matter what it was. Big or little, like we’ve all felt before, Crooks just wanted to be a part of something and not feel isolated because of his differences. All in all, dreams can either be good or bad for
The structure of The Histories presents a problem. The secondary structure of The Histories almost obscures the primary structure, making the book difficult to follow. We are presented with two possibilities. Either Herodotus is not a good author or The Histories was not meant to be read as a book. Given the oral nature of fifth century Athens the later is far more likely. Books were likely a rarity in Herodotus' time given the difficulty in reproducing them. Given the oral
The harshness of the world and the small chance of survival he is facing would perhaps indicate that dreams are a welcomed form of escape. However, the father’s own assessment of these dreams and what he thinks of them is as follows, “The right dreams for a man in peril were dreams of peril and all else was the call of languor and death. He slept little and slept poorly.” To the man, he feels that because life is so terrible, any dreams that were pleasent would be dangerous. Such nice dreams would represent “the call of languor and death.” They would soften him and make him unable to make tough choices that were critical to his own and his son's survival.
Dreams can be easy to plan, but often impossible to reach. In Of Mice and Men, written by the best-selling author John Steinbeck, the characters used their dreams as a motivation. The role they played in people’s lives was to help them “escape” from the dark times of the Great Depression. However, the dreams seem to affect them. Curley’s wife dreamt of being an actress, but she ended up marrying Curley.
Fate is unavoidable causing the fall of Oedipus. Oedipus’ parents tried avoiding fate with their son, when they “pierced the baby's ankles And left him to die on a lonely mountainside” (Sophocles 977). Ultimately true fate was for Oedipus to murder his father and impregnate his mother. Oedipus states, “I should lie with my own mother, breed Children from whom all men would turn their eyes; And that I should be my father's murderer” (Sophocles 979). Trying to avoid fate, Oedipus “fled” from Corinth (Sophocles 979). By leaving, Oedipus thinks he will stop this “wretchedness” from happening (Sophocles 979). Due to Oedipus unavoidable fate, “children die unborn, And labor is vain” (Sophocles 960). Oedipus is uncertain why this plague is taking place. Creon emphasizes that “It was murder that brought the plague-wind on the city” (Sophocles 962). Oedipus eagerly wanted to find the king Laios’ killer.
Ninsun interprets this dream as the coming of Gilgamesh’s companion. As the dream predicts, Gilgamesh meets his companion, Enkidu, in the streets of Uruk and appears to be drawn to him. In Gilgamesh’s next dream, he dreams that a mountain falls on top of him, and a beautiful light helps him out from under the mountain. In Enkidu’s interpretation he tells Gilgamesh that “[his] dream is good”
In today’s society, people have many different ways that they interpret their dreams. Some people believe that they give us a view into the future while others believe that they tell us more about ourselves. Historically, they were once believed to be symptoms of mental illness. It was through the work of Sigmund Freud, a psychoanalyst, that the value of dreams was shifted; we were able to learn the significance of the information that they gave us (“Dream in History”, para. 9). In Frankenstein, Mary Shelley uses dreams and nightmares to share information with the reader on Victor. These dreams — specifically Victor’s — give us details relating to his desires which affect his character. As the book progresses, we begin to see a shift in his character which parallels with these dreams.
In Gilgamesh, dreams are used as a form of communication between the Gods and humans. Major events are seen through these dreams and fantasies are foretold. In the ancient Mesopotamian culture, dreams play a major role. Dreams foretold the coming of Enkidu, the death of Enkidu, the protection of Shamhat during the battle with Humbaba, and much more. The fact that dreams play such an important role in
Fate is defined as the development of events beyond a person’s control. In “Oedipus the King,” Sophocles, tells us about a tragic hero (Oedipus) in which his life is predetermined by fate, because he is deprived of free will. The first act of fate on Oedipus was him being saved by a shepherd when his parents (Queen Jocasta and King Laius) left him in the mountains to die, he then met and killed his father without knowing who he was, and last, he married Queen Jocasta, later realizing that she was his mother. Every action that Oedipus took to prevent his fate, would soon be the ultimate downfall, not only for himself, but for his family and the people of Thebes.
The narrator submits to the fate and does not care how things happen, merely like some children enjoying the magic without knowing the tricks. Dreams like magic, they do not follow the logic; they merely